Is The “Sleeping Prophet” Back? An Interview With David Wilcock


Part 1: The Wanderer Awakens

As was mentioned in one item of The News Desk in the last edition of The SPECTRUM, David Wilcock is a remarkable young man. The parallels between Wilcock and Cayce are not only amazing but, statistically speaking, quite compelling and totally convincing to many. It was certainly time to explore this subject more directly.


I spoke with David by telephone on August 3. With his busy schedule, I expected to have a 15-minute interview. But to my delight and surprise, we had a very cordial and in-depth 90-minute conversation. I got the impression of a very nice and articulate person, not afraid to be human or otherwise bound-up within an ego-driven facade.

Having just experienced his first major publicity appearance on the Laura Lee radio program on July 17, David was still stinging from what was a less-than-receptive encounter. The controlled media, no matter how well disguised, even (or maybe especially) in the format of a talk show, always takes some getting used to!

After assuring David that The SPECTRUM is “user friendly”, and after he checked with his own Inner Guidance, he felt at ease enough to share with us without hesitation.

While the front end of this conversation will hold particular interest for those well versed in knowledge about Edgar Cayce’s life, the second half of the interview holds some helpful and enlightening commentary for everyone.

As is often the case with such contacts, I first heard about David Wilcock from two directions simultaneously; from Dr. Al Overholt and from Charles Neil. As Dr. Overholt mentioned in the News Desk column in the last issue of The SPECTRUM.

Directly following the interview, we will continue our exploration into this fascinating subject and person by sharing an in-depth analysis between Cayce’s life and that of David Wilcock.

And, for those of you interested, yes, David currently does conduct “readings” (including “dream readings”) for a donation of $150 (subject to change in the future). These readings are his only means of financial support. He may be reached to schedule an appointment for readings at the following email address: e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

You may write to David directly by sending your correspondence to The Spectrum and we will see that David receives it, until such time as we may provide other contact information.

[3/15/09: We have discontinued all client readings as of August 2005 due to overwhelming demand and a shift in our focus from the personal to the universal.]



Sit back now and suspend your natural disbelief for awhile, just like you would when you go to see a movie, and let the information flow through you openly rather than jumping to any premature conclusions. As is SPECTRUM’s general policy with all material, “Let the reader discern for self.”

After some initial introductory discussion concerning my policy about allowing people who are being interviewed to speak without interruption (remember his recent rude experience on the Laura Lee radio program!), we pick up the conversation.

[3/15/09: Before the interview, Rick Martin said his main job was to “hold a space for the words to come through.” Hence, this interview appears to be a monologue on David’s part. However, on a spiritual level Rick was in constant dialogue and was very satisfied with the results.]



Wilcock: The whole reason why everything that I’ve published is free is so that as many people can get it as possible. That’s what I was instructed to do by these Forces. That was one of the only compliments that Laura Lee gave me, actually, on the air.

Martin: The most obvious first question that comes to mind;

Wilcock: Ok.

Martin: …and this is probably the most uncomfortable one, but the most obvious first question is: What exactly was the response by the A.R.E. [the Association for Research and Enlightenment, Inc., in Virginia Beach, Virginia; the official Edgar Cayce organization] when you approached them?

Wilcock: Ok, I can answer that question. (Pause)

Martin: Feel free. The tapes are rolling, as they say.

Wilcock: Let me give you a little bit of background to work up to that question, so that we’re not speaking from a platform of assuming that it’s just a given that this is who I am. I want to give you just a little bit of background so we can work up to my A.R.E. announcement.

Martin: Good.

Wilcock: As you are probably aware, my initial psychic experiences began as early as I was able to remember my dreams, which were around age 2. At that age I had the distinct vision of cylindrical spaceships that would hover and flutter in the sky, and I always felt that one was about to crash and I had to go help this person; that, essentially, a cosmic being had crashed and was stranded here and needed help. Obviously, at the time, I didn’t realize that the dream was about myself.

So, when I was 5 years old, I had a spontaneous out-of-body experience. In the spontaneous out-of-body experience I found myself hovering over my own body. I could watch myself breathing and watch myself sleep. And I also had another body that still had my pajamas on.

A “Force” that was outside of my own conscious control took me, feet first, down my hallway and the hallway light was still on. I always slept with the lights on. When I got to the staircase my body stopped and turned 90 degrees in a pivoting motion.

I was aware, at that point, that there were what appeared to be several voices in the background that were all talking as though they were very interested in me and in what I was going to do. My body also tilted about 30 degrees in order to begin going down the staircase.

As this happened, and I started to actually drift down the staircase, about two feet below the roof, I was distinctly aware, in my mind’s eye, of a series of visions of me, out of the house, flying up into space and possibly not ever coming back. At least, that was my fear.

So, I got extremely scared. As soon as I got scared, I was back in my body almost immediately.

After this experience had ended, I found myself feeling like a failure for not having accomplished what it was that this Higher Force had been trying to get me to do. I felt afterward that I would not have died, but I was going to have been taken somewhere and I messed up.

So, I felt that I was a failure and I wanted to recapitulate whatever losses I had incurred by failing in that way, so my natural response was to go down into my parents’ basement and dig out books on psychic phenomena.

I read my first full-length adult book on psychic phenomena when I was 7, in second grade. And I was able to perform some experiments based on the material in that book, and got results that were so surprisingly accurate that it demolished any doubt that this wasn’t real.

The most significant one was the ability that I had to guess numbers 1 through 10 accurately by simply having a group of my friends go around the corner of the building and guess the number together. I would just simply tell them the first number that popped into my head, and it was right every single time. I had a 100% accuracy.

So, that was pretty much my early stimulation. And then when I was in junior high school I was doing Tarot cards. When I was in high school I learned lucid dreaming, to become awake and aware while I was dreaming, to control the outcome.

My next significant event was in my sophomore year of college. A friend of mine stopped by to tell me an amazing story which was that he had had a two-hour conversation with his physics professor.

The conversation with the physics professor, by itself, is not important, but what was important was that the physics professor was telling him that it was common knowledge in the higher echelons of NASA that the United States had secured captured alien discs and have reverse-engineered the technology.

So, my understanding was that there were three different types of beings who had been inside this craft, the tallest of which was the common Nordic that everyone talks about; in other words, a regular looking [human] being with sort of pink skin, with a perfect complexion; tall, with deep blue or even purple eyes, long blond hair that goes down below the middle of the ear, and usually some sort of a silver or blue jumpsuit.

The middle-height being was your typical Grey, but it was a very slender and beautiful-looking Grey.

The shortest of the beings was, apparently, like the typical Grey that everyone sees, and they determined that the head that everyone sees was [in fact] a helmet; that underneath the helmet [the skin] was more reptilian looking.

So, these were the three beings who they found. He did not have indications about autopsy reports. He also described the propulsion system.

The propulsion system creates a sort of virtual laser. It, supposedly, sends out a particle of radiation that is going 75% the speed of light. Then, a trillionth of a second later, it shoots out another particle of radiation that is going the full speed of light.

The radiation is able to repel itself, so this creates a billiard-ball effect where the faster particle bounces off of the slower particle, goes back and hits the edge of the ship, which drives it forward, and in this manner you are able to ascend to lightspeed, near lightspeed, at a very fast rate.

I had never heard any talk about this propulsion system in public. I still haven’t, but much of the other material that he got was later duplicated 2-3 years later in Day After Roswell by Col. Phillip Corso. So, that was my activation event, you could say.

After that point, I began compulsively reading books like crazy, and I read everything I could find. My book Convergence, which is freely published on the Internet at my website [], discusses the culmination of what ended up being six years of research, after I first had this disclosure.

After doing research for four years and reading, probably, as many as one or two books (and completing them) each week, usually having five or six in progress at any one time, I started to feel somehow empty.

I was chasing this information furiously, and yet there was nothing in the personal life to mirror what was happening in the books. I finally realized that the key was in my dreams. I had been recording my dreams since, approximately, the same time that I got the disclosure. So, for the last four years I have been keeping a record of this.

I started to participate on Richard Hoagland’s message board; the Enterprise Mission message board; and wrote a lot of articles and actually captured his attention enough that we got into several debates. After Richard Hoagland’s message board started to fold up, which occurred in November of 1996, I realized that I had to direct my creative energies into my own work and not into someone else’s message board.

Around this same time, a man by the name of Joe Mason called me on the telephone. He had been a participant on the message board. He was one of the only people who could relate to my writings on synchronicity. [I had] written several posts [on] how I would see repeating digits on the clock at just the right moment.

This would happen five or six times a day. I would be sitting there not thinking about what time it was, reading a book or driving down the road, and would just happen to look at the clock at exactly 4:44 or 5:55 or 11:11 or 12:12. There were several of them.

These were getting to be quite bizarre because there were times when four or five different synchronicities would all converge at the same time moment. One of my favorite ones was when my speedometer hit 444, my clock hit 5:55 and, at that exact second, it started pouring rain while I was driving.

So, these types of things were happening to me. Joe Mason explains that synchronicity was a way for our Higher, subconscious self to communicate to us consciously. It was a way for messages to be communicated. He said that there was a more direct way of getting in touch with this Higher Self, and that was what he called the “dream voice”.

He said that, when you woke up in the morning and you were still able to remember your dreams, if you just allowed yourself to listen, you would discover that, similar to being in a room with several TVs running at the same time, there would be a bunch of background noise that you could hear if you were willing to tune-in.

If you were close enough to being asleep that you could actually hear it. He said that, if you listened to this and you wrote it down, it would have meaning, even if it didn’t seem to make any sense.

In fact, the whole key to the technique was that you did not understand what you were getting when you wrote it down. If you did start to understand it, then your conscious mind had a much higher potential for distorting the information.

In the midst of this conversation, I was falling asleep. It got to be 5:00 in the morning, because it was only 2:00 in the morning his time, in California. But he was giving me so much good information that I was still trying to write it down, even as I was falling asleep. That turned out to be what trained my conscious mind to be able to do this.

The very next morning I woke up and I could hear his voice talking to me again, just like last night on the telephone. And I just started to write down what it said, and a lot of it was very cryptic and it didn’t make any sense.

But, at the very end of the conversation, it said to me: “…There are other sites you can visit, such as Chichen Itza…” which is the pyramid site in Mexico, the Yucatan, Central Mexico. “You can go there with your mind, you know, check it out.”

And I had just gotten done reading this amazing 8-page transcript, for the second time, and reading this sentence that was obviously telling me that I could recreate the same, fantastic, out-of-body experience I had when I was 5, again, by inducing it consciously. And, just as I was reading this again, the phone was ringing. And the phone tugged at my heart. I knew that it was somehow very important.

I wondered if it was actually Joe Mason himself asking me, calling me and asking me something like, “Did you get that telepathic message I just sent you?” So, I answered the phone and it turns out that it is a friend of mine inviting me to a seminar on astral projection. The synchronicity was so amazing that I just felt it thundering into my head. I didn’t know what to do.

Later on, I realized that that Monday, November 10, I had predicted the imminent heart attack of Mother Teresa the following Friday. It was in the following sentence, which reads, “One of our women Teresa, a sibling inoperative – the Christian, psychically.”

So, that phrase seems to imply to me that they were saying that sibling Teresa, in other words, Mother Teresa, was rendered inoperative. It was pretty clear that I had tapped into something that was definitely real.

In the very first day, there was a very enigmatic series where it was saying, “I was born in…” and then it gave me a series of dates, and some of these dates were in the 1800s, and some of them were more recent times. There was one date, in particular, that I couldn’t get because it didn’t come through very clearly, but it sounded like 1887. I found out later on that Edgar Cayce’s birthday was 1877. That was the date I was actually trying to get.

So, even from the very first day, there were allusions to my having been Cayce. There was also a phrase that said, “That’s the church pattern, Amilius and others like him have been around for a very long time.” I found out much later, about a year later, that in the Cayce readings, Amilius was, supposedly, the first incarnation of the soul entity that finished itself from the Earth as Jesus Christ.

Amilius was initially what’s called the “first Adam” in the Bible. He was responsible for trying to save those souls who had been seduced by the material world and by its vibrations and wanted to stay here, for the time being.

This was, supposedly, according to Cayce readings, how we all “fell from grace”. That’s the original “fall” referred to in the Bible. We were spiritual entities, seduced by matter, and Amilius saw that we were not able to escape, and he came in to try to resolve this problem.

In the wake of this, I became aware of the fact that every morning I could wake up and just start listening. I would be getting messages from a very high spiritual source, and it completely changed my life. They immediately started to talk about my diet needs and my personal needs. I had a very different agenda.

I wanted to ask them about UFO information. I wanted to ask them about research-oriented questions. Their agenda was much more along the lines of telling me: “Look, there’s a lot of things about yourself that we need to fix. There’s a lot of personal issues that you have to resolve.”

So, it was pretty interesting that, here I thought I was contacting extraterrestrials and was going to get all this cosmic information, and they end up being, basically, like my psychotherapist!

After going through this for awhile, I kept seeing more and more accurate future prophecies. And they are all documented on my website. There have been hundreds and hundreds of them. And it was basically leading up to telling me that I was supposed to move.

As the year progressed, there was an event where I had joined a “Search for God” study group, which is based on the work of Edgar Cayce, and I essentially was doing it because I had been thinking about moving to Virginia Beach, Virginia to possibly study with Atlantic University, the graduate school based on Cayce’s work.

In the study group I met this guy by the name of Skip and he was a hypnotherapist. He agreed to hypnotize me and try to get me to do a reading, to see what would happen. Very, very anomalous and interesting events occurred when he hypnotized me.

First of all, he sat me in the chair and I had my crystals in my hands. At the exact second that I touched both of my crystals in the position that I normally would, he also was plugging in this heater. And as he was plugging it in, an arc shot out from the wire into the air, and it was about a 3-inch-long arc of electricity.

And he says that, after this happened, it worked fine, and before that it worked fine. It was only this one time that there was ever a problem. It was enough of an arc that it actually created a wisp of smoke.

During the reading, when I started to channel, the Forces apologized for their effect on the electronic systems. They also were answering questions that he was asking telepathically, before he ever spoke them physically. So, in effect, he stopped asking questions and just used telepathy to mold the reading in the direction of what he wanted to know.

At the end of the reading, we were going over to his computer to check out the latest crop circle formation, and before we were ever able to bring it up, the whole house went out in power and it stayed off, according to him, for exactly 60 minutes, and then came back on. So that was highly unusual stuff.

The next really major thing was, I was able to induce the conscious out-of-body experiences and I had an experience where I projected myself into this state and I knew where I was. I met some people who obviously didn’t. I was trying to tell them, “Look, I’m having an out-of-body experience. I can levitate; I can float; I’ll show you that this is not real.”

They refused to believe me. I got very frustrated with these people and I said, out loud, “Isn’t there someone around here who knows what the hell is going on?”

Before I had even finished the sentence, I had turned around and there was already a woman standing there, wearing a purple robe (and that’s a very important color) with penetrating blue eyes and grey hair that was parted in the middle and was sort of long.

I didn’t think anything of this. I figured she was just another one of these regular people running around. But as she stared at me, I found that I couldn’t move, and so she commanded my attention. She kept staring at me until the mental chatter in my mind had settled down somewhat and I was able to just think clearly.

Finally, when I was sort of relaxed and she was still staring at me, she says, “You know you have to move, don’t you?” And I started to hem and haw and look both ways and wonder what to do, and she just didn’t say anything else, and I still couldn’t move, and so I realized that I basically had to say “Yes”.

So I said, “Yes, yes, I will move, I will move.” Then I was able to be free. I transcribed a reading that had happened the day before this, after the experience happened, and it said, “Strap on your parachute hat, Virginia would be a nice destination.”

So, the Forces proceeded to collapse everything in my life that was of any value to me, soon afterwards, including my job, and I was left with basically nothing worth staying [for] up in New York. And my landlady, who had never wanted a lease in writing, suddenly was asking me for a one-year contract, and it wasn’t even at the beginning of the year of when I had started renting.

All of these things pyramided. There was a girl who I was sort-of seeing, and we had a falling out that was looking like it was going to be permanent. All this stuff happened all at once and I realized that there was very little holding me in New York.

So, I called the A.R.E. volunteer center and got the listing for a house. And, basically, packed all my stuff into the car and drove down there. The second night that I was there, I remembered, to my surprise, that back in July (it was now October), in my reading, it had said the words “Great Neck”. And now I happen to be living on Old Great Neck Road, which is off of Great Neck road, so that was pretty shocking.

So, after realizing that, somehow, it appears that even back in July my readings knew not only that I was going to Virginia Beach, Virginia, but I was going to be in this particular house, on this particular street. I said to myself, “Now, I have to look. I have to see if there is anything else that’s worth noting here. Maybe these readings have other prophecy about my arrival in Virginia Beach.”

So, I went back to my room, grabbed the book of readings, went downstairs and sat on this white leather couch. As soon as I sat on the white leather couch, my eyes drifted up to the bookshelf and I saw the title of a book that said The History Of The German Steel Helmet, 1921-1945, and I was absolutely beside myself.

It turns out that, back in July, around the same time I got the words Great Neck, I had gotten an anomalous phrase in German, and I don’t even speak German. My housemate was able to translate it for me. The phrase, [“Scarstahldig”] was translated into “a group of German steel helmets”. And here I was, sitting on this leather couch, looking up seeing a book that says The History Of The German Steel Helmet.

I came to find out, when I talked to the woman who I was renting from, that the other man who was living in the house (whose name was Dennis), was a collector of German steel helmets. In fact, he had a giant collection of them, enough that he could start a whole store. He hadn’t even called her for the first time to move in back in July when I got this reading. He didn’t move in until August. That was obviously pressing on my brain, considerably.

Something else was happening. Skip, this same guy who hypnotized me, called me up before I moved to Virginia, and had said, “I want you to see something. You have to come over, right now.” And I said, “I don’t know what you’re talking about.” And he said, “No, you have to come over right now.”

Finally, I agreed. I drove over to his house, I got inside, and he had this magazine. He had taped a piece of paper over the magazine with a square cut in the middle of the paper. Inside the square was framed the image of a face that looked exactly like mine.

And he said, “Now, who is this?” And I had to stop and think for a good fifteen or twenty seconds. I finally realized that, since he was an A.R.E. member and it had the look of a magazine, it must have been Venture Inward magazine and that, therefore, it had to be an image of Edgar Cayce when he was my age. So I guessed, “Edgar Cayce”.

And he said, “Well, yes, but who else does it look like?”

And I said, “Yeah, I understand what you’re saying.” We were both pretty flabbergasted about this.

As soon as I got to Virginia Beach, there was a person, who I had called on the telephone when I was looking for houses, who was actually the catalyst to finding the house that I lived in. And he said he wanted to see me in person, right away. I told him that I didn’t understand it, but that was fine. As soon as he met me in person he said, “My God, I can’t believe it!”

I said, “What?”

He said, “You look exactly like Edgar Cayce.”

I said, “You know, someone else has told me that, and I don’t know what it means.”

He said, “Well, you might be his reincarnation.”

I said, “That is just ridiculous; that’s impossible. Why would I have to be such a figure? You know, I’m doing my own work, but it doesn’t mean anything grandiose. At least, I don’t think it does.”

Well, as time progressed, more and more people were meeting me and having the same reaction. People who were rather high-up in the Cayce circles were seeing me, before they knew that I did any psychic work, and saying things like, “My God, he looks exactly the same as Cayce.”

There was a man, who has a very high position in the A.R.E., who I met for dinner. He told me after we got done with dinner that he had nearly fallen over backward when he first walked into the restaurant and saw me sitting at the table, because he had worked with Cayce’s early years extensively, including photograph archives, and had never seen anyone who was the spitting image of Cayce, as I was.

As time progressed I was living with someone who was intensely dedicated to the Cayce readings [and] has been a friend of Gladys Davis Turner for a long time. Gladys Davis Turner was Cayce’s [longtime] stenographer. And, also, the readings indicated that she was his [Cayce’s] twin-soul.

So, she was very important in this saga. This person knew all the ins-and-outs of the Cayce readings. He was very well educated about it. And as I lived at his house with him, after moving from the house I lived at in the beginning (I was only there for 2 weeks), he became convinced that I was the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce.

I still wasn’t.

So, the next significant event was that I finally got so fed-up with wondering whether it was true or not, that I went into a deep state of trance, and before going into trance I asked the reading, “You have to tell me if this is true. You have to tell me if I am the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce.”

The answer that I got was as follows: “Understand that we may indeed give you the answer, but with the answer comes great responsibility. You will need to go back through your life and see all the parallels. In short, the answer is yes. We had to wait until the proper time to tell you this, and that proper time has arrived.”

So, I was just totally amazed. I couldn’t even believe it. I resisted it very strongly. I was almost bitter about it, because now I felt, all of a sudden, that this work I had been doing psychically for the last year, took on a much higher level of importance. I felt an obligation that I didn’t feel before, because now I knew I was responsible for this legacy and that I was supposed to carry this legacy through into the next generation.

So, I resisted it strongly and I didn’t really want my readings to talk about it. Yet, I was having some dreams that were very evidential where I was scuba-diving down into something like Atlantis and bringing up all these fragments, one-by-one, and the fragments together were Gladys Davis Turner. It was like I was reconstructing myself. Gladys Davis Turner is my other half, in terms of the spiritual sense.

Getting back to the A.R.E., the next important thing that happened was, I had an astrology program on my computer, and one day I sat down and said, “Let’s see if there’s anything that will happen if I run a comparison chart between Cayce’s birth-time and my birth-time.”

So, I punched in Cayce’s birth-time. I had the exact information. I punched in my exact information and then I brought up the chart. My heart just about stopped. What I saw, without even a matter of seconds of delay, was that the two charts were so tightly meshed together that it defied any coincidence.

[See our new article on this website by Brian Mc Naughton, a very capable astrologer, for a new, in-depth look at these connections from an independent party.]

The Moon was within minutes of 1 degree in the same position on both charts, sitting directly on top of each other. And, in fact, all of the inner planets, through Mars, were in almost exactly the same position. The Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, and the Moon were all sitting right on top of each other.

Then, all of the outer planets were aspecting each other very tightly. I knew at that moment that this was just getting more and more crazy. The facial similarity was remarkable. So, there had to be something to it.

Soon after this point, I got a reading about the Hall of Records and it said that it was very important that the A.R.E. be more vocal in the public about the Hall of Records because there was a negative force that was currently in power over there, and if enough people didn’t desire the truth, then this negative force could potentially stifle the release of this Hall of Records, indefinitely, to the public.

So now, I not only had this identity, I had a message that I was supposed to give to the A.R.E. Even then, it took me about three more months. It wasn’t until, basically, April and May, 1998, when I actually approached them for the first time.

Now, let me give you a little bit more background information so you can see how interesting this event really was. In the Cayce saga, there was a financial backer named Morton Blumenthal who financed the Cayce hospital. For those who don’t know a lot about Cayce, his life-long ambition was to have a place of treatment and healing for those who were given his medical readings. The medical readings advised some very exotic medical treatments that, normally, could not be found.

He wanted a hospital where people could actually get those treatments. He did attract people who had lots of money in order to pay for this and Morton Blumenthal was a New York stock broker who proved to be able to do that for him.

They built the hospital together, and within less than a year after it was in operation, [there] was the great stock market crash of 1929. And the hospital folded-up very quickly. Morton and Cayce had a very, very icy separation and the entire affair was so emotionally charged that they were never able to speak to each other again.

I have found that all of the significant people from the Cayce circle have shown up again in some sort of reincarnation in the present, with the same degree of facial similarity and attitude and behavior similarity. So, it turns out that Morton Blumenthal had reincarnated as my friend, Chris, who I’ve known ever since I was a freshman in college.

We’ve stayed in touch, in spite of having numerous disagreements. There was a phrase in my readings, before they ever told me about my identity, where they were talking about Chris and they said, “Plug-in the early New York stock exchange.” And it was so anomalous that I actually asked them, “Could you please explain why you’re talking about a stock exchange when you’re talking about Chris?”

And they said that it was “a technical term posed as a riddle, and think of how you would exchange dollars and cents”. And that was all they would say.

[See the readings archive on this website for more in-depth study of older readings and dreams.]

So, now I realize the facial similarity between Chris and Morton, but I hadn’t quite understood that that’s who he had been. He actually came to live with me, and I had moved into another apartment that was two blocks away from the A.R.E. and the Cayce hospital.

You have to understand that, in my past life, Morton and I had become dire enemies over this hospital falling. On the very day that I was to go to the Cayce Hospital for the first time in this life, to meet with people from the A.R.E. to talk about this, my friend Chris and I had the worst altercation, the worst argument that we had ever had in our entire friendship. And it was happening in the context of him knowing that I was about to go over to this hospital and be interviewed.

So, there was obviously some reincarnation karma playing itself out. As a result of being in this argument before I went, I was on edge and very nervous. I met with a senior staff person with the A.R.E. He took me into his office and we had a long conversation and I explained the story in as much detail as I could, and I explained how this was all new; and it was very difficult for me to do that.

What ended-up happening was that he tried to exchange skepticism, was basically trying to pick me apart, was very resistive to the whole idea. His conclusion that he made was that I was a nice guy, I had some obvious genuine psychic ability, but the fact that my readings had told me that I was the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, and the fact that they had mentioned that there were going to be Earth changes in the future of a large-scale nature; [meant] that I had to, therefore, be contaminated by negative entities and otherwise unviable as the legitimate article.

He did befriend me, and I ended up working with him selling concessions for the next play at the A.R.E. And that’s one of my running puns, which is: Edgar Cayce came back to the A.R.E. and they got him selling candy bars.

Martin: (Laughter)

Wilcock: Every night that we were doing this play, and I was selling candy bars with him, in the context of this friendship, he would continue to attack me, he would continue to attack my credibility. I gave him several of my best readings and, instead of just acknowledging how nicely worded they were, he was trying to pick them apart. And it seemed like, a lot of times, he was doing it just for the sake of trying to make an argument.

He read the whole manuscript of what has now become Convergence. At that time it was called 1999 Cycle. I have had many, many people tell me that Convergence is the best book they’ve ever read, that it has brought together research as diverse as Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Collins, Graham Hancock, Robert Bauval, Richard Hoagland; just the whole gamut of metaphysical writers that this book has fused together.

He read the initial version of it and told me that it was very interesting, but held no substance. So, I knew that it was not doing me any good. I was severely losing confidence in myself and, as a result of that, I broke off the contact and I basically have not made any further direct attempts on my own to go to the A.R.E. offices and try to talk to them, even though I live right in the same town with them.

The next important stage of my public disclosure happened on July 1, 1998, when I made the conscious decision to move into a new place, which I had done, and to entertain the possibility of doing this business of readings for other people for money, instead of doing these other jobs that I had been working, which were all temp-jobs at $6.25 an hour.

When I made the commitment to do it, I got one of the longest readings ever. It took me about an hour and 20 minutes to do one reading, which is unusually long. This particular reading generated a lot of new information. Some of the information was confirming the stories about the bloodline of the Holy Grail, or the idea that Jesus survived the crucifixion and, even though he had ascended in the spiritual sense, he went on to have a family.

So, my readings talked about that and gave some credence to the story. The story is now becoming extremely compelling with works such as that of Lawrence Gardner who wrote Bloodline Of The Holy Grail.

Martin: Right.

Wilcock: And Lee and the other guy [Baigent] who wrote Holy Blood, Holy Grail, and other books along those lines, like Messianic Legacy.

So, at the end of this particular reading, once I had made the commitment to do readings for others, there was an expressly difficult warning that came through and it discussed the possibility that there was going to be a terrorist nuclear strike on New York City on August 17, 1998. And it came through in very deeply fragmented form, but it was obviously understandable.

Obviously, this never happened. In the wake of that event, I called the FBI because I was so concerned about the possibility that something like this could happen. I had gotten several dreams that showed it happening. I had gotten readings that had predicted the exact day and also showed me the astrology surrounding the event.

Based on my track record; I had hundreds and hundreds of accurate prophecies by this point; I knew this was nothing to ignore. And so I felt I had to call someone who would be responsible enough to be able to do something to defend New York against this.

The reading got very specific. It said that this group was going to try to take a boat and ride it into the harbor, and they had secured a suitcase nuke from the collapsed Soviet regime and were planning on exploding it.

So, when I called the FBI, as is to be expected, they very naturally were tapping my phone to beat the band within a week, and the tap continues to this day. In fact, that click that we heard in the conversation [earlier] was the tap coming on when I said the word A.R.E.

It has never stopped. I have lived, ever since the time that I started to do readings for others, without privacy. My phone is continually tapped. It is highly annoying, but the joy that I have felt from doing readings for others, and away from the wage-slavery system, has been unbelievable.

My next major event was that I moved onto a farm that was self-sustaining. And during that time I didn’t have to pay rent and the readings had slowed down, and that’s when I took three months of my time, working about sixteen hours a day, seven days a week, to write Convergence.

I finished Convergence on March 8, 1999. And, right at about the exact same time that I did, Richard Hoagland had his heart attack, which made me very concerned.

My next significant event was that I got in touch with John Major Jenkins, who was the author of Maya Cosmogenesis 2012, and he made arrangements for me to get on the Laura Lee [radio] Show to voice these ideas. And so, now, as we speak on August 3, of 1999, I have now been on the Laura Lee Show, which was on July 17, 1999, and my public presence has finally increased to the point where people are starting to pay attention to this material.

Now, the Cayce readings have said, in reading 294-151: “Is it not fitting, then, that he must return to be as a liberator of the world.” And I always tell people, you’ve got to remember, it says “a” liberator of the world; it does not say “the” liberator of the world.

Martin: Right.

Wilcock: It’s not a messianic prophecy. There are many liberators; anyone who decides to work for Light, to give up the focus to earn money and have a materialistic life, in order to serve God in what they do, is a liberator. Anyone who just tries to be of service to others is a liberator. So, it’s not anything grandiose.

I’ve had a lot of people tell me that, you know, if you really are Cayce, then why aren’t you famous? And I just say to them, “Look, it doesn’t matter how many people have gotten this information. What’s more important is the quality of the information (that those who did receive it) have gotten.

And what I have done is try to make all of my material come from a very, very high level of quality, so that it can en-Light-en people as much as possible. Because it is not so much important if you reach large numbers of people. If we understand the Law of One, we understand that All is One, and therefore the One is in each person.

So, if you are able to reach one person significantly enough that you have changed their life, then you have reached everyone. So there is no need to worry about getting big numbers.

That’s not what’s important. And that’s why I give my information away freely on the Internet. I only make money from doing personal readings because I want as many people as possible to be able to read this.

I do believe that my readings are telling me that there is going to be much more exposure in the future, in the near future, and I am prepared to handle it as far as it goes. I don’t know what the future holds, but I’m certainly going to stick to my ideals through the whole process.

My ideals are that I do not want ego to get involved. I do not want to think of myself as anything special. I have a mission to perform. I have a job to do. The job is to tell people the reality of life on Earth and the reality of life in the Higher Dimensions, and to make that reality more tangible.

The whole reason why we’re here is to make a choice between service to self or service to others. The choice that we’re obviously supposed to make is service to others. The whole reason why these readings are so intensely focused right now, is that we’re heading into a frequency shift; and that’s probably going to be your next question: what is ascension? How is it going to happen?

Just to give you a real brief overview, in Cayce reading 1602-3, it said:

“In 1998, we may find a great deal of the gradual activities that have come about. These are due to the cycle of the solar activity, or the Sun’s passage through the various spheres of activity.”


The Cayce readings mentioned the Solar Cycle. In my book Convergence, which is freely available on the Internet, I’ve discussed how we have now discovered this Solar Cycle through the work of Maurice Cotterell.

Maurice Cotterell has taken ancient work from the Mayans, concerning certain super-numbers, such as 1,366,560, and he’s discovered that these same numbers, that were written down by the Mayans, correspond to cycles in the Sunspot activity that he was able to discover by charting out the orbits of the Sun at its various points.

The Sun rotates 26 days at the equator, and 37 days at the poles. As a result of this, it kind-of twists and binds-up as it goes along; sort of like stirring a pot of soup, it’s faster where the spoon is and slower around the edge.

So, when he plotted out these variables and made a graph out of it, he discovered short-term cycles, but also much longer-term cycles. And one of these longer-term cycles is about 3,740 years, or 1,366,040 days; and this corresponds very, very tightly with the Mayan number because all you have to do is to add two of the Mayan sacred numbers of 260, which would be 520, and you get from 1,366,040 to 1,366,560.

So, this cycle that he had discovered, he believes, is what corresponds to the shifting of the solar magnetic poles. Now, how did the Mayans know about this 3,000 years ago and graph it out with a number that is exactly the same, given this slight adjustment?

The other thing that is even more interesting is that the Mayan calendar is approximately 5,200 years long, and that’s another cycle that the Mayans keep watching. If we expand the Mayan calendar by a factor of 5, we come out to about 26,000 years, and this is the Big Cycle that we are concerned with.

This cycle can be seen on Earth, with the slow-wobbling of the Earth’s axis that’s known as precession, and it’s also visible in the Sun. This Sun-spot cycle, that causes the pole shift, the Mayans also had, and corresponds to exactly 7 of these; wait, let me rephrase that: 7 of these cycles correspond to 1 precessional cycle that’s coming from the Sun.

So, this made me realize, when I looked at the Cayce readings, that there was a hyper-dimensional effect involved in the Solar Cycle. And that hyper-dimensional effect was causing us to go from one realm of frequency to another. In other words, a frequency of vibration.

The understanding that I now have is that we are passing from the 3rd level of vibration into the 4th. And when this passage is complete, the frequency of matter on Earth, in vibrational speed, will be seen to increase. As the frequency tries to increase, it creates a great pressure on any person who is not accepting the higher-dimensional energy, because the higher-dimensional energy is the energy of love.

So, any place that we are not being loving and alive at this time is going to be forcibly shown to us; and very directly; because this energy is forcing us to be more loving; we have to, if we want to stay compatible. If we’re not compatible with it, everything that’s holding us back is going to be very forcibly shown to our face.

At this point it looks as if; though the August 11 solar eclipse probably will have happened by the time this newspaper is released; it is a major turning point in this timeline.

It is believed that this event, if you look 3 months before it and 3 months after it, this junction is sort-of like what they might call in quantum physics a “singularity” or [the focal point for] a series of anomalous and potentially destructive events on the planet. It also is what clears the “gateway” for the most positive events, such as ascension.

Martin: David, you’re cutting in and out. Can you repeat a few of those phrases you just stated?

Wilcock: Ok. The August 11th solar eclipse, based upon what I understand in my readings, needs to be looked at in terms of 3 months before the event, as well as 3 months after the event. And during this whole period of time we can see many changes, and these changes correspond to the shedding of the darkness so that the Light may come in.

[Note 9/30/99: There have been a succession of major land-based earthquakes just since Aug. 11, most notably including the massive 7.9-magnitude Turkey earthquake on Aug. 17th. This was the exact day that the Grand Cross planetary configuration itself was at its tightest aspect, and the site in Turkey was directly in the path of the energy line created as the Eclipse passed over the Earth.

Also the stock markets have become more volatile, we have had Hurricane Floyd, which was unprecedented in size, and a major nuclear accident very recently in Japan.]


There is a great deal of symbolic correlations around this particular conjunction, namely the lore in the Bible of the Four Beasts of the Apocalypse. It appears that these Four Beasts of the Apocalypse were actually referring to the four signs of the zodiac in which this Grand Cross is occurring.

The notion of the bride and the bridegroom in the Book Of Revelation corresponds to the diamond ring that will be formed by the Sun’s corona. In other words, the corona looks like a diamond ring. It has a ring, and there’s one point where the Sun is brighter. It’s been called the diamond ring in history.

Also, the time of this corona, over Greenwich, England is exactly 11:11 a.m., that’s when it hits the corona. And I have been seeing this on the clocks for 4 or 5 years, at least, almost every day.

Now, also, if you look in the Book Of Revelation, Chapter 11, Verse 11, [11:11,] it says: “After the 3 and ½ days, the righteous people who had been struck down by the masses again rose up and struck fear into the hearts of many. God appeared on a cloud and said, ‘Come up here’ and they were born into the Heavens, and in that same hour earthquakes shook the Earth.”

Now, it’s also very interesting because Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval explain at the end of their book, Message Of The Sphinx, or Keeper Of Genesis (if you have the European version) that the 11:11 ratio is expressly flagged in the Great Pyramid over and over again. And the Cayce reading said that the timeline indicated by the Great Pyramid in it’s internal passageways would be complete at the 1998 period.

Now, Cayce’s readings also said that 1998 was possibly a time of great geophysical changes, but also the possible time for the second coming of Christ. Now, obviously we haven’t had any severe geophysical changes, although there are certainly many things that are creeping up on us. And we haven’t seen a direct physical manifestation of Jesus.

The readings explained there were two sides to the second coming of Christ story; one side is, obviously, a physical apparition; but the other, far more important, side was the awakening of the Christ spirit within each person.

So, when we understand that the second coming of Christ has to do with the birth of Christ within each of us, Christ-consciousness within each of us, then we understand what this Solar Cycle is producing. So, it is my belief, based on what my readings are telling us, at some discrete point in the future, enough people on this planet will have attained Christ-consciousness and that will change the frequency upon which their spiritual vibrations are vibrating.

At the same time we reach this critical threshold of vibration which enough people have attained, that will also increase the vibrational speed of the global grid; which is this geometric network of lines that corresponds to how higher dimensional energies are brought to the Earth. And that’s discussed in Convergence in much greater detail than we are going to do here.

When enough of us shift our energy, that allows the global grid to shift its energy. When the global grid makes the realignment to the fourth-dimension vibrations, according to numerous mystics (including myself), it will make an approximate 20-degree correction in its positioning. That’s a magnetic correction, so that means a magnetic pole shift.

The important thing to remember is that the ascension effect, the effect of people transforming into Light and transfiguring from the physical, will be able to occur at the point that the grid shifts, but the point of the grid shifts takes a few hours to occur, even though it actually transforms. It doesn’t happen instantaneously. However, when that energy in the grid has shifted, there is an instantaneous possibility for everyone (who has attained this crucial vibrational frequency) to ascend.

The vibrational frequency is quite easy to make, actually. All it requires is that you have cleared a 50% threshold of a desire within yourself, on the core level, to be of service to others. So, if you’re just barely above 50% motivated towards service to others, as opposed to motivated toward service to self, serving yourself only, then you will be compatible with ascension.

Now, one of the things that I am here for is to “legitimize” your dark side, your shadow side. I, certainly, do not have a stellar past. There is no need for anyone who reads this to feel that they are somehow incompatible with ascension because they are somehow “not good enough”. All you have to do is care for other people on a very basic level and you have made this vibration.

So, when that critical mass happens, that will be the time of both ascension and corresponding Earth changes. And we can never know when it’s going to be. It has to do with the mass-consciousness, and that mass-consciousness can shift at any moment.

There could be a global event that could occur that could make a lot of people suddenly become more loving, and in that moment, that could be when the shift happens. I believe that there are indications that the next major opening for when something like this might occur is in May of 2000. But, I also am open to the fact that any time between August 11, 1999 and May of 2000 there could be this event.

So, you have to live every day as though you could be ascending this day. If this was your last day on Earth, did you do the most valiant and most spiritual thing that you could be doing? Did you overcome self-indulgent habit patterns? Did you clear boundaries that you’ve put up around yourself that say these are your limitations and you can go no further? Have you lived-out your potential? So, I try to live every day as though it were my last and I try to live-up to my highest potential.

At the time of ascension, all who ascend will have the experience of the most profound religious experience of their entire life. The experience is supposed to be so ecstatic that there is no way to even emphasize how fantastic it will feel, using human language.

It’s also been told to me that, once we have ascended, we will have the opportunity to return to the Earth, after it has been cleansed by the pole shift, and this will be the beginning of the 5th root-race, according to the Cayce readings and the Mayans. Both say this.

The 4th-dimensional beings are actually going to be; according to what the research says from these readings; the 4th-dimensional beings are a cooperative melding between the human form and the form of the Zeta Reticulans or the Greys. And that’s why people are seeing these alien abductions going on and there are these hybrid babies that are being produced that are half human. These are the bodies that are going to be able to live in the 4th dimension.

A 4th-dimensional being has all of the same abilities that Christ did, once he ascended. It’s 100 times more harmonious to live in this realm of vibration than it is in the 3rd dimension. Life is much less complicated in one sense, much more joyous and invigorating in another sense. The Earth is going to be returned to a pristine state. That is going to be the collective effort of these entities, once they’ve ascended in the beginning. They will be able to use telekinesis to repair the Earth and to restore the natural balances in our ecosystem.

So, it’s a glorious future that’s ahead of us and I live every day with the knowledge that, from talking to these beings and doing research, that this is real. It would be nice if everyone else could experience the faith that I have of knowing that this is really going to happen, and believing that this is going to happen, because it really does change your outlook.

We can then understand the fact that all of these apparently hidden correspondences; between weather changes, the degradation of society, the outrageousness of the government and media; all the good things and all the bad things, together, that they’re all leading up to a point and the point is not doom; the point is spiritual transformation. And the transformation itself is such a glorious surprise that it goes way far beyond what we could have ever imagined.

Do you have any questions?

Martin: You’ve pretty well covered it. The two primary questions I had were concerning the pyramids of Egypt, because the Illuminati have some rather nasty plans in mind for August and December of this year, in terms of rituals at the pyramid that will, essentially, work at sending out a vibration, planetarily, using the energy grid to, basically, keep people asleep.

I just wanted to hear your comments about what surprises there may be in store from the Lighted side regarding the pyramids and use of the pyramids. That was one question.

The only other question has to do with the “harvesting”.

Wilcock: Ok. You have to understand that the Great Pyramid exists at the epicenter of the global grid. In other words, the global grid is a series of magnetic and hyper-dimensional lines of energetic force and they correspond to the five basic platonic solids: the octahedron, the cube, the tetrahedron, the icosahedron, and the dodecahedron.

So, the epicenter of all of that energetic work is at the exact site location of the Great Pyramid of Giza. That is why it was built there.

When we’re looking at the August 11 conjunction, we’re looking at a hyper-dimensional physics effect. The actual alignment of planets is so strong that it greatly increases the amount of pressure of the 4th-dimensional energies coming in. And when the eclipse happens and the Sun goes corona, it actually creates a sort-of hyper-dimensional laser beam that strikes the Earth and moves along its surface.

Every place where this eclipse touches is getting this dramatically powerful burst of energy. There is nowhere on the planet where that is harnessed to a greater degree than at the Great Pyramid of Giza, because that is the epicenter of the grid.

My own readings are telling me that this is an effort that is being made [by the dark ones] in order to try to stop the increase, or to try to use the increasing energy to create greater chaos on the planet.

Martin: Right.

Wilcock: The important thing to remember is that, if you look at the hierarchy of dimensions in the octave; and when I say the octave, I mean the fact that our dimensions are based on a cycle of 8; in other words, once you’ve gotten to the 8th dimension, you’ve gotten back to the Oneness, there is no more fragmentation.

We live on the 3rd dimension. There are also beings who live in the 4th, beings in the 5th, beings in the 6th, and you could say that there are beings in the 7th, but their nature is very mysterious to us.

The negative entities do exist. They do have their UFO technology, and they are trying to subvert the human population. But the much greater amount of input comes from the Light side. The negative entities can exist on the 4th-dimensional level, the 5th-dimensional level, and the very, very beginning of the 6th-dimensional level.

At the point when they hit the 6th-dimensional level, what’s called the spiritual entropy is so high that it, literally, dissolves their soul unless they become positive. Therefore, essentially speaking, all 6th-dimensional and 7th-dimensional beings must be of the positive polarity.

The path of negativity is a path of separation. It’s a path of service to self. It’s a path wherein the entity believes that, since self is God, then others must serve that self in order to serve God. So, they desire to enslave the public, and rationalize that, by getting the public to serve them, the public might then learn to serve themselves as well. And in serving themselves, they’re serving God.

The reason why this is a backward philosophy is that everyone else is God too, not just yourself. And when you stop thinking of yourself as separate from God, you realize that everyone is part of this Oneness. And so that’s why service to others IS the positive polarity, whereas service to self is a confusion, it’s a belief that serving the self is serving God and, therefore, everyone else must also serve yourself.

Now, these negative extraterrestrials have worked with the elite of Earth quite extensively. They’ve had negotiations, agreements, etc. And I am sure that it’s the negative entities in the higher-dimensional planes who alerted our governments and the Illuminati and so forth to the existence of this conjunction and what could be done with it.

The way I look at something like this is, almost as a humorous side-note, because no matter what type of human sacrifice ritual you try to do, or however you try to thwart this energy, the positivity of this energy, of this conjunction, is so overwhelmingly powerful that it just defies any attempts to defile the energy.

We have more people on the planet who are balanced in the direction of the positive than in the negative. Not necessarily the vast majority, but enough people are more oriented toward service to others than service to self.

The best thing that these negative forces can try to do is to try to keep us in a constant state of fear. The way that they do this, primarily, is through news media and creating world events, deliberately fabricated world events, to instill this never-ending sense of terror and paranoia, a sense of apocalyptic, millennial doom, so that we are, essentially, very fearful.

If they can keep us in a perpetual state of worry and fear, then they can also keep us feeling that we have to be of service to self, because if we don’t we’re in grave danger.

And so, the self-serving behavior would be to hoard food, and in the event of Y2K, to buy guns so that you can shoot anyone who tries to take your food; that’s all self-serving. And so, the more fearful that we are, the more paranoid we are, then the more we are actually espousing this negative philosophy.

And so that’s what their purpose is, they’re trying to grant us the opportunity to be afraid, grant us the opportunity to live in terror.

My readings have said that there is going to be a rapidly escalating constellation of events at the later half of this year, that we’re just now about to go into, including the possibility of a very large-scale war; I just got that the other night; which could be very imminent.

And all of these events are going to be designed to make us just more and more fearful.

[3/15/09: We had extensive data come in predicting 9/11 before it actually happened, and this is another example. Not the strongest, but certainly an example!]


So, that’s why my readings are telling us that the most important thing we can do at this time is to disassociate from the media, at least from the main, corporate media.

Don’t pay attention to the death-pangs of the world that is being transformed. Pay attention to the birth pangs of the world that is being reborn within you, of the Christ-consciousness that is being reborn within you.

If you focus on the system and structures that now exist, and you don’t acknowledge and respect and love the fact that they must be cleansed, then you certainly will have the opportunity to be very fearful.

If you focus on the consciousness change that’s happening within you and on what this is all leading to, that we’re about to go into this ascension, and you can hold that energy of positive vibration and be extremely excited about what is happening, because you understand why it’s happening, then you are on a good path.

The fear-mongers are going to try to make us think that this is the apocalypse, that this is the end of time and the world is over and we’re all going to die. Different people, such as Dr. Steven Greer, have suggested that they might even try to stage a mock alien invasion with reverse-engineered extraterrestrial technology.

[Editor’s note: Not just the use of “alien” technology as in craft, but remember Project Blue Beam’s satellite-driven holographic sky-show capabilities. For those unaware of these and other diabolical possibilities, the potential for gullibility is quite high; call it the late 1990s version of Orson Welles’ famous 1938 “War Of The Worlds” radio broadcast which sent a wave of panic throughout the country.]

I’ve been getting information that they might start a very large-scale war. So, we have to keep our eyes open for these things.

But, in short, I think it’s very important to remember that the negative entities are sort-of like a bunch of bumbling fools who have not yet realized the true essence of the universe. They believe that this is going to work, because they believe that they are stronger than the Light, and so they’re going to try things like this.

But it doesn’t change for one minute the fact that the 4th dimension is coming, and there are more people on this planet who are positive than negative, and we are going to ascend. Everything is going to occur on schedule.

The beings in the 6th and the 7th dimension have infinitely greater resources and power available to them than these negative entities do. And so, all the negative entities can really do is amplify pre-existent personality patterns that we have that are fearful, and just make us more fearful. That’s all they can really do. They can try to lead us to becoming self-serving, but ultimately the choice rests with the individual.

So, it’s important that we remain faithful to our own spiritual ideals and remember that is the purpose of what’s going on here.

Martin: That’s a perfect place to stop.

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